stevenson over eisenhower back in '56. and my father and his generation in chapel hill were really, um, they built a bridge and sort of a bridgehead. they were pro-higher education, pro-infrastructure, they were, they were liberal in their politics and progressive, and they, they were deeply anti-segregationist and anti-jim crow. and they built in the raleigh/durham/chapel hill area something called the research triangle that depended a lot on education, on higher education and which has really paid huge dividends and, in a way, opened the road to the new south as we think of it today. my father would have been, in 2008, would have been so fiercely proud to see barack obama elected in north carolina, to see the country, to see the state go for barack obama. sadly, it wasn't to happen again in 2012, although we worked really hard at it. but anyway, my first, my first campaign that i actively was involved with was mcgovern in '72, and i think my wife kim still has the pumper sticker that says -- the bumper sticker that says